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Another Honda feature!!

Postby Txdragon » Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:18 pm

I made news in the 2019 Civic; inquiring about tuning options within the Honda community. It was interesting enough to make the front news page of one of the largest Honda forums on the web!
https://honda-tech.com/articles/10th-ge ... g-devices/
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby OldUsedParts » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:03 am

Didn't the Beach Boys record a song that went "Help me Honda, help help me Honda" :?: :?: :?: :laughing7: :lol:

Seriously, Chef Pal, Congrats on being noticed - - - well deserved. :wav:
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Postby Txdragon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:01 am

OldUsedParts wrote:Didn't the Beach Boys record a song that went "Help me Honda, help help me Honda" :?: :?: :?: :laughing7: :lol:

Seriously, Chef Pal, Congrats on being noticed - - - well deserved. :wav:

Ha!! My grandmother loved the Beach Boys. I'm really hoping to have *some* ability to pioneer a bit for the 10th generation civics. I have done a good deal over the last couple years on dispelling many old myths in regard to one of the older platforms. That's primarily due to engine swaps being more common and thought better than modifying what was in it. Then the O.G. crowd that just shunned anything of little budget and I beat the tar out of that with my first build, pulling off near 350 horsepower with less than 3000 bucks. So, it's been a fun journey. Lol!
In other news, I'll have a youtube channel up and going before long. Stay tuned!
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Postby Joernolav » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:35 pm

Cool and that's a nice car.

My mother's first car was a Honda civic 1st gen. silver metallic.

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Postby Txdragon » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:05 pm

Joernolav wrote:Cool and that's a nice car.

My mother's first car was a Honda civic 1st gen. silver metallic.

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Thank you! I know a guy that is doing some really awesome stuff with a first gen. He is modernizing it with a K-series engine and tubular chassis. Everything he has done so far goes WAY beyond any budget I could pool together in a 5 year time span. Lol!
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby GTR » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:44 pm

Wife had a Civic when we first met. Got a Mustang GT convertible in '94. I drove the Civic for the next couple years. Not really my cup of tea but got me from A to B. I'm more of the Big 3 type. That said I took notice of what the tuner guys were up to. Wondered for years why engine swaps weren't being done. Again not my cup of tea so I really never looked into any reasoning. Once the engine swaps became in vouge tuner cars became far more interesting. I had a '87 Buick GN for several years, I know what kind of power one can achieve with 6 slugs and a little forced induction. :D
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby Txdragon » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:18 am

GTR wrote:Wife had a Civic when we first met. Got a Mustang GT convertible in '94. I drove the Civic for the next couple years. Not really my cup of tea but got me from A to B. I'm more of the Big 3 type. That said I took notice of what the tuner guys were up to. Wondered for years why engine swaps weren't being done. Again not my cup of tea so I really never looked into any reasoning. Once the engine swaps became in vouge tuner cars became far more interesting. I had a '87 Buick GN for several years, I know what kind of power one can achieve with 6 slugs and a little forced induction. :D

The concept behind the engine swap in a Honda is primarily going from the single cam to a dual cam engine. 1.5L non-VTEC Honda engine was very prevalent in most of the civics on the road. Those were considered garbage by most of the community, and even most of the aftermarket companies didn't offer much support. Swapping the JDM Civic Type-R engine (B16A) was beginning to take its first foothold. The VTEC single cam (D16Z6), which I have grown to know and love, was another viable swap into those that were more economical. As the B-series swaps became more popular, the single cam crowd really dwindled down. More people were pushing the swap as a cheaper alternative to more horsepower. With larger support for the swap crowd, newbies to the community were discouraged against modding what they had and persuaded into swapping. I'm one of a small number of people keeping the single cam alive with any interest in its performance. There is valid argument though, that B-series is a bit less expensive to mod out the gate; meaning you'll get more bang for your buck but, under a certain level. If you're wanting a simple 300hp build, sure, a few thousand and you're golden. If you're looking for >500, be prepared to shell out 3 times the amount though because that's where the shortcomings are found. Lots of ignition system failures, transmission issues, head flow problems, poor camshaft design, and weak axles become a big chunk of money to remedy. Either way you slice it, Honda is an extremely underrated competitor. I know folks right now that race professionally in Hondas pushing 1000 horses easy. That is tremendous, coming from a 1.8L 4 banger. Lol!
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby GTR » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:49 pm

Txdragon wrote:
GTR wrote:Wife had a Civic when we first met. Got a Mustang GT convertible in '94. I drove the Civic for the next couple years. Not really my cup of tea but got me from A to B. I'm more of the Big 3 type. That said I took notice of what the tuner guys were up to. Wondered for years why engine swaps weren't being done. Again not my cup of tea so I really never looked into any reasoning. Once the engine swaps became in vouge tuner cars became far more interesting. I had a '87 Buick GN for several years, I know what kind of power one can achieve with 6 slugs and a little forced induction. :D

The concept behind the engine swap in a Honda is primarily going from the single cam to a dual cam engine. 1.5L non-VTEC Honda engine was very prevalent in most of the civics on the road. Those were considered garbage by most of the community, and even most of the aftermarket companies didn't offer much support. Swapping the JDM Civic Type-R engine (B16A) was beginning to take its first foothold. The VTEC single cam (D16Z6), which I have grown to know and love, was another viable swap into those that were more economical. As the B-series swaps became more popular, the single cam crowd really dwindled down. More people were pushing the swap as a cheaper alternative to more horsepower. With larger support for the swap crowd, newbies to the community were discouraged against modding what they had and persuaded into swapping. I'm one of a small number of people keeping the single cam alive with any interest in its performance. There is valid argument though, that B-series is a bit less expensive to mod out the gate; meaning you'll get more bang for your buck but, under a certain level. If you're wanting a simple 300hp build, sure, a few thousand and you're golden. If you're looking for >500, be prepared to shell out 3 times the amount though because that's where the shortcomings are found. Lots of ignition system failures, transmission issues, head flow problems, poor camshaft design, and weak axles become a big chunk of money to remedy. Either way you slice it, Honda is an extremely underrated competitor. I know folks right now that race professionally in Hondas pushing 1000 horses easy. That is tremendous, coming from a 1.8L 4 banger. Lol!


Thanks for the explanation. Makes much more since now. Puts me in mind of the flathead vs. OHV debates. Sure there is a certain romance associated with the FH but dependable power over 300 is sketchy. OHV offered internal advancements you just can't get in the FH. To me honestly Hot Rodding is Hot Rodding. Whether it burns nitro or rice :laughing7: power is power.
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby OldUsedParts » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:04 pm

GTR wrote: To me honestly Hot Rodding is Hot Rodding. Whether it burns nitro or rice :laughing7: power is power.


I totally agree - - - sorry Chef Pal, no hi-jack intended :whiteflag:
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

Postby Txdragon » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:27 pm

OldUsedParts wrote:
GTR wrote: To me honestly Hot Rodding is Hot Rodding. Whether it burns nitro or rice :laughing7: power is power.


I totally agree - - - sorry Chef Pal, no hi-jack intended :whiteflag:
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Re: Another Honda feature!!

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